Jose Antonio Vanderhorst-Silverio | Mar 21, 2011
Next 20 plays. Continuation of the 60 plays on the IEEE Spectrum Smart Grid 2025 Game started on Part I
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The work is for systems architects. The smart grid system-within-system Smart Grid architecture was to create a Walled Garden.
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3/18/2011 9:17
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I don't quite understand. Wouldn't that destroy the whole idea of a grid?
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3/18/2011 10:31
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As the value added is in the interfaces between subsystems, I would say it in another way. It might destroy the whole idea of a system..
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3/18/2011 10:36
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But then we wouldn't be talking about a smart grid anymore, but about smart home appliances or smart neigbourhoods?
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3/18/2011 10:51
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It would still be a SG. The problem is on the idea with real time, when for most of the loads it will be at most near real time.
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3/18/2011 10:53
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Most economic transactions are executed before real time operation under the control of the whole system by the system operator.
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3/18/2011 10:55
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Who is the system operator? System controls far too complex to be managed by humans; \normal accidents\" result."
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3/18/2011 12:04
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The system operators of the power industry has been operating for years. They use what's called unit commitent which involve redundancy.
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3/18/2011 12:23
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Isn't the point of an SG to remove redundancy and improve efficiency? Different class of problem than today, right?
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3/18/2011 12:29
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The thing is that it is cheaper to replace the redundancy on the supply side (i.e. gas turbines) with demand side redundancy - elasticity.
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3/18/2011 12:31
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Agreed, so the \draw down\" is what is smart not the production side right?"
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3/18/2011 12:53
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Just as the railroads, electric utilities defined their business incorrectly, by ignoring several insights, like Levitt's Marketing Myopia.
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3/18/2011 12:54
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For details. please Google the EWPC article Answering “What Energy Business Are You In?� As the Way Out of The Third Depression.
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3/18/2011 13:35
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Thanks, will do.
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3/18/2011 13:40
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You are most welcome!
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3/18/2011 13:41
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A very fruitful learning conversation. Look forward to hearing more.
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3/18/2011 13:50
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There is supposed to be a mechanism to get in contact. Please look for the \EWPC Blog\""
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3/18/2011 13:53
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Will do. Thanks. Keep up the good (and impassioned) work.
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3/18/2011 14:06
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Thank very much! I hope we meet later on. I started this mission in 1995 and it has grown in scope a lot.
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3/18/2011 14:09
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Would love to someday! Lets stay in touch, although SG's aren't my main passion.
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